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Ich selbst bin konfessionslos uns habe seit der ersten klasse Ethikunterricht gehabt. Bei uns war es so, dass mit steigender Jahrgangsstufe auch die Teilnehmerzahl am Ethiku. Sorry wenn ich verallgemeinere, :Religionsunterricht ist eben trockener, langweiliger Selkie: das mit den Hausschuhen kenn ich nur bei Grundschulen. An Gymnasien, real und Hauptschulen gibt es in der Regel keine Hausschuhpflicht. Auf jeden Fall hier nicht.

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Selbst die Schreibschrift wird jetzt nicht mehr so gelehrt wie damals. Comment ferna, Ethik in der Grundschule, toll! Als ich beim Einschulen nach der Konfession meines konfessionslosen Kindes gefragt wurde, gab es als Angebot nur eine unbeaufsichtigte Freistunde, evangelisch oder katholisch. Comment Hausschuhe in der Grundschule Stimmt schon, dass eniger geputzt werden muss, wenn die Kinder drinnen nicht mit Strassenshuhen herumlaufen. Ich glaube aber trotzdem, dass gerade solange die Kinder noch klein sind Kindergarten und Grundschule ein grosser Teil des Spielens am Boden stattfindet. Demnach ist es einfach hygienischer wenn Hausschuhe getragen werden.

Das "am-Boden-herumtollen" kann und soll man ja nicht verhindern. Comment Und ich sach noch, Kulturschock Nicht in meiner Grundschule! Comment Forgot to mention: my above comments only refer to the Grundschule. I have had a child at a Gynasium for only 1. But Kate has a while to go before being confronted with that.

Comment I personally think is much too early to start first grade. I rarely get my five-year-old out of bed before One more question for Ami parents in Germany: Is there anything in particular about German schools that really irritated you? Comment Hi Kate: yes, three things: the crappy playgrounds no monkey bars?!? For that you have to join a club, pay money, sign a contract Otherwise, I think the schools here are lovely.

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Comment Hi Selkie, I grew up in a small town in a quiet subdivision where I could walk the three blocks to school. We had a wonderful playground with a forest and sports fields. Wish my children could experience that. I suppose inner city schools in the US are the same. Comment Hi Kate, We live in a suburb, and the playgroud is roomy, but has none of those cool wooden structures I loved so much as a kid. Or the colorful metal and plastic ones now so popular in the US.

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You know, with places to climb and hide, poles to slide down and the like. How is one supposed to play structure tag? Und das in einem der reichsten Staaten der Welt. Armes Deutschland. Comment Wenn ich morgens zur Arbeit gehe, sehe ich sehr wohl Schulbusse, die die Kinder aus meinem Haus abholen - und ich wohne wirklich mitten in der Stadt. Aber es ist richtig, dass die bestimmt extra kosten. We held bakesales, sold candy bars, you name it to get the money. Sad but true. That spirit is a bit lacking here.

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Comment What I have always found fascinating about the German school system is that the Germans can have a 3 tier system where children are pigeonholed around the fourth grade into either the Berufsschule, Realschule and Gymnasium which can either limit or enhance a child's futures opportunities as it puts restrictions on the likelihood of studying at a university later on.

A few years ago I spent my American senior highschool year as an exchange student in a German Gymnasium. I have often wondered if some German parents whose children are put into the Berufsschule or a little better, Realschule are ever concerned that their children may be missing out on opportunities?

Most likely the children from disadvantaged backgrounds would not make it into the Gymnasium type of schools as appears, to me at least, to be the case in Germany.

Is this ever an issue in Germany? As an American I would be interested in the details. Comment hm - us: Thanks for the correction. I will do my best to avoid this mistake in future. But I have experienced a lot of teasing between US colleagues when they use too much dialect and are hard to understand.

And talking about sociolects I definitely see it as helpfull for children to be reminded that their sociolect might not be considered "proper English" - especially with the UK tradition to sort people by language into different classes. Comment oops, sorry for some of the errors in that last post.

There should be a "preview" function in LEO Let's see what the future brings :. It is growing in popularity. Comment MiMi, I was aware of "Gesamtschulen" at the time, but judging from my peers' who all attened the Gymnasium at the time Gesamtschulen are somewhat less desirable to a Gymnasium and on par with a Realschule.


This was in the mid 90s, so things may have changed since then. In any case I still get the impression that most Germans feel that a Gesamtschule is more of a sideshow act in the grand scheme of things and somewhat less desirable than a Gymnasium. Comment How is it decided what school a child ends up in? I have no intention of letting my children go anywhere but a Gymnasium. Do I have a say in the matter? Comment The elementary school teacher will give you a recommendation for your child. You can still send him to a Gymnasium without the recommendation if the Gymnasium will take the child, but it is often more difficult for such children during 5th and 6th grade, the so-called "Beobachtungsstufe", when the teacher finds out that the child has no recommendation, for they tend to judge such children more harshly. Here at least, if a child fails at the Gynasium level adn is asked to leave in the 5th or 6th grade, a parent can no longer move her to a Gesamtschule and the only option left is a Realschule. Comment Here's a little story about math in Switzerland vs England: When I was in 7th grade we had a new girl from London in our class.

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In her first math test she got a 2 baaaaad grade - turned out it was because she had put the apostrophe or whatever it's called in math to increase the legibility of numbers over at the bottom instead of the top as is common in the US and obviously Great Britain, like 1, versus 1' The teacher assumed that it was meant to indicate a decimal point which was written as a comma when I went to school, have no idea how it is now and figured all her results were wrong It took her parents coming in and clearing up the situation. I remember having a hard time even then understanding how a supposedly intelligent person the teacher did not recognize that the numbers were actually right and just the 'comma' or 'apostrophe' different Comment Hi John, first I want to correct you about "Berufsschule".

What you mean is "Hauptschule", the lowest form of secondary school, grade 5 to 9, sometimes I think, if you talk about discrimination this happens and has to in all systems of education. Some people have the capabilities to become and want to be a rocket scientist and others have the genes and the wish to become a carpenter, which is a nonourable trade, of course, at least in Germany it is.

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And so they attend different schools and other institutions of education and vocational training. The decision about the future educational life of a pupil is made much too early. If I had to decide I would like to have a comprehensive school Gesamtschule at least up to grade 8. After that there might be a real need to split up a class.

The decision most of the time doesn't take into account the different disadvantages that a student may have in making achivements to his best potential. An immigrant boy from Afghanistan who arrives in Germany at age 12 to 14 and doesn't know German has hardly a chance to be channeled into a Gymnasium. His situation may be even worse if he lives in an immigrant neighborhood, goes to a school with mostly immigrant children and hardly hears a word of proper German during school I'm talking of a recent patient of mine who is exceptionally bright and would have certainly been "college material" under the right circumstances.

Another disadvantage can be a low educational status of the parents and the lack of funds to buy remedial tutoring if needed.